A redditor went pretty hard at Jack Kornfield. His talk on an Oprah interview wasn't orthodox Buddhism. Here is my response (since expanded upon here as I thought more and more about this):
Feels like an Oprah interview is setting him up to be a more than Buddhist teacher and being open to a more Abrahamic background, to widen his audience beyond the 0.7% Buddhist in America. He has been ordained by the marketplace, his books have sold. I've read most of them and his first book is about the various meditation practices he encountered in Thailand, published in 1977, feels like good information.
Kornfield, strikes me as a good writer. Good writers don't necessarily start movements or make a lot of hay in Buddhism, but I also like Stephen Batchelor. There's a synthesis going on with Buddhism as certain western ideas are being integrated into Buddhism. It feels like some of the negative aspects of Christianity can avoided, and there's a hope in a religion that is going to be more suited for our current times.
There is a syncretism going on in America, and it's hard to imagine the Buddhism that is going to emerge. The lay Theravada tradition, with the lay going for it instead of just trying to make merit, along with their worldly lives, is another example of Americans trying to have it all.
New movements have always gotten pushback from traditionalists. Time will tell if the American lay tradition of Theravada is going to be a thing (IMS).
I'm not ready to cast Kornfield out for a populist and honest interview with Oprah, but it's good to get information and to see how far a perspective can go. Every country reconstructs Buddhism, and that is OK. I feel like Buddhism is strong enough to be tested by being adopted to a new country in the modern world. Spirituality has always been adapted and adjusted to a culture it enters. Look at the spread of Buddhism in China. Maybe you can't snuff out what Buddhism has to offer, maybe we want something beyond a secular humanism, which can be a glorious spirituality too. If we're allowed to explore and make sense of things, not just swallow doctrines whole, maybe we can sift out an essential Buddhism, or an American Buddhism that works. As the many sects of Buddhism show, there are lots of possibilities. Americans don't take to being told how to be. That is both our strength and downfall.
The quote "Buddhism is not just whatever some white guy makes up after visiting Thailand and learning meditation" is a bit provocative, but it makes the point that perhaps syncretism needs to have some limits. It's true that if you want a good brand of Buddhism perhaps don't experiment with a new one, but I myself am more flexible and think that new movements don't need to be snuffed out. Of course rigid fundamentalism trying to snuff out other traditions, is also a American tradition as well. I'll be interested to see this dance play out with the remainder of my life.
We need traditionalists who make us aware of our choices. We need innovation and creativity as we adapt to new circumstances, too, that is the essence of mindfulness to me.
My feeling is that the creativity and innovation of Chogyam Trungpa was too wild, not disciplined enough. On the other hand, I don't want to be a monk who can't touch a woman, when it's an elderly relative who could use some support with some stairs. The real question is what really works and are we just adopting something without really changing. The change of moving towards enlightenment can be quite challenging and it's hard to sort out what growing pains and dark nights are necessary, and which ones are not. The push/pull of a lay Theravada movement is utterly fascinating to me.
A vibrant dynamic movement, and intense devotion will look cult like, will be suspect. The sexual misconduct in American Buddhism has been pretty damaging. Mistakes have huge ripples throughout time that are not easy to see. Trying to do things will always invite criticism. We want a solid foundation but nothing is perfect.
If Buddhism came to America in the 1840's with Chinese immigrants we've had it on this land for 180 years. I think one time I came up with 250 years. Both estimates are minuscule over the history of Buddhism. Buddhism came to China around 67 CE, maybe 150 CE. They've had Buddhism a little longer, though communism has tried to snuff it out. My point is that the newness to a continent and the newness to a culture churning and changing is going to produce some interesting results. Maybe traditionalism is what is needed amongst this churn, but some periods are more open to change. I appreciate the redditor drawing the traditionalist line, but I feel like Kornfield's journey is his own, and his early books provided good information to a culture starving for Buddhist information. There are some Buddhist teachers that adopt some Christian language, I imagine in the hopes that it will help spread Buddhist ideas in a Christian America. I'm turned off by that. And maybe the criticism that adopting a foreign religion doesn't get around the various tricks and boondoggles of religion, but it feels like there's a minimalist essential Buddhism combined with mythological awareness and sophistication, and fear of literalism, can really make a religion for the times we live in, here in America. If it can draw this athiest in, I think anything is possible.
I would also add that I can't buy into lineage ideas being paramount. I respect people who feel that is important, but sorry, too much time has gone by and it's great if you got it, but I don't think that means you can't make a new movement without a lineage. The Buddha created a new movement that wasn't there before. Not that these new people are on his level, but it's possible.
The Buddha had the monks not wander during the rainy season. (Link)
Here is a photo of the monks in Wheaton MD.
Installed at Aurangabad Buddhist Caves, in Aurangabad, Maharashtra, India. "the statue was placed offset to challenge the Buddhist locals sense of inner piece against their OCD and basic maths"
“I began meditating in search for a decrease in stress and anxiety. I got that, and then somehow became swept away in a new-age super religion without even knowing it. There are parts of this essay that embarrass me. But, when you’re vulnerable and looking for answers, you take what is available. For me, that was the enlightenment pill, and I almost choked on it.“
Fascinating article by Dan Lawton about his negative experiences meditating, a few researchers who listen to negative experiences, and how many teachers deny there can be negative experiences in meditation. Courageous article.
I have panic attacks sometimes on retreat, when I feel trapped, can't move, in meditation. But then I cry and it seems to release a lot of things. I wouldn't describe that as a negative experience, but I suppose it's a challenging experience.
Someone went onto r/buddhism and asked if they should have children, or that would lead to attachment. I see a little red when "attachment" is used, because it's a useful and powerful concept in modern psychology.
But they mean clinging to sense pleasure, not the healthy child need. OK. I propose Buddhists stop using the word "attachment" because the other sense of the word is primary, stronger, more important and interesting. (I'm pretty sure I picked that up from the culture of Triratna, but I guess I'm owning it now. I honestly don't think I'm original, but I googled "Rahula doesn't mean fetter" and I just got all the articles that spout that terrible idea, thus I have to add it to the dialectic of the internet.)
Nobody was giving the opposite view, so I stepped in and tried to articulate why having children isn't a death sentence to the move towards enlightenment.
The spouting of doctrine and cant was pretty difficult to bear. One person actually purported to be the voice of the Buddha.
First off, a human isn't a fetter. They are a subject with feeling, not an object in your way. Maybe attitudes are fetters, and maybe some people can't see the long term affect certain ideas.
And yes, there is a dance between engagement and retreat, and retreat is vital to the spiritual life. But I also feel it's important to think for yourself and not just spout doctrine without processing it through the human who says it and the humans who hear it.
There's plenty of stuff in the canon that needs to be interpreted, updated, modernized. In a good way.
A human is not a fetter, I think that Rahula should not be seen as a word for fetter. If it really was at that time, and I'm not convinced that is true, then maybe it's a mistake in our times when humans have a certain dignity and everything isn't about finding your hierarchical place in the universe. That was the caste system and the Buddha rejected it.
Spiritual individualism is to be avoided when it harms others. There are so many instances where the Buddha brings in the family to make sure things are right, that he's not out of disharmony with the larger society. He didn't want a family to stop giving money to a rival sect, he thought that would create disharmony. He thought about the welfare of others, not just putting his methods forward. There is a time and a place.
The "great I am" is not the spiritual endpoint, and when you steamroll a human being to get your imagined spiritual ends, that's a sign things have gone off the road, lost their way.
I'm very much into the spirit of the dialectic, every thesis has an antithesis, and the veracity of a statement is about the vector it takes in relation to other ideas, and the opposite idea also has some truth in it, often. Discussion is the life blood of the spiritual life.
Fusty doctrine defense feels hollow, unliving. Breathe some life into the teachings. Whenever I heard a statement that feels changing, I am more interested to investigate and discuss. I like books that have the title like Why I am Not a Buddhist or What the Buddha Didn't Teach, I'll be interested when I get a chance to read those books. I think there is a place for challenging provocative statements.
"in craving we also have a distorted view of the world, and in having a distorted view of the world we also crave."
from The Buddhist Path To Awakening by Rupert Gethin
A Handful of Leaves has an amazing library available on PDFs. With Sutta Central, there's no real need to buy a book, but I do like something I can put in my hand that doesn't require recharging.
At Sāvatthī.
“Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘There’s no meaning in giving, sacrifice, or offerings. There’s no fruit or result of good and bad deeds. There’s no afterlife. There are no duties to mother and father. No beings are reborn spontaneously. And there’s no ascetic or brahmin who is well attained and practiced, and who describes the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight. This person is made up of the four primary elements. When they die, the earth in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of earth. The water in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of water. The fire in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of fire. The air in their body merges and coalesces with the main mass of air. The faculties are transferred to space. Four men with a bier carry away the corpse. Their footprints show the way to the cemetery. The bones become bleached. Offerings dedicated to the gods end in ashes. Giving is a doctrine of morons. When anyone affirms a positive teaching it’s just baseless, false nonsense. Both the foolish and the astute are annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and don’t exist after death’?”
“Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …”
“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises: ‘There’s no meaning in giving, sacrifice, or offerings. … Both the foolish and the astute are annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and don’t exist after death.’ When feeling … perception … choices … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises: ‘There’s no meaning in giving, sacrifice, or offerings. … Both the foolish and the astute are annihilated and destroyed when their body breaks up, and don’t exist after death.’
What do you think, mendicants? Is form permanent or impermanent?”
“Impermanent, sir.” …
“Is feeling … perception … choices … consciousness permanent or impermanent?”
“Impermanent, sir.” …
“That which is seen, heard, thought, known, sought, and explored by the mind: is that permanent or impermanent?”
“Impermanent, sir.” …
“But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?”
“No, sir.”
“When a noble disciple has given up doubt in these six cases, and has given up doubt in suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation, they’re called a noble disciple who is a stream-enterer, not liable to be reborn in the underworld, bound for awakening.”
(source)
Beware of darkness by George Harrison has always held me since I heard a Concrete Blond version of it, and I traced it back to it's source. My stepfather might have had the George Harrison album but I didn't hear the original first. I'm open to different versions. I saw a Sheryl Crow and Brandi Carlile version this morning and the song continues to hold insights for me.
Maya in Buddhism is "pretense" or "deceit" that is identified as one of the twenty subsidiary unwholesome mental factors within the Mahayana Abhidharma teachings. Harrison was influenced by Hindu gurus but Buddhism is the universal religion that springs off of the ethnic religion of Hinduism.
An ethnic religion is something you're born into: Hinduism and Judaism. A universal religion is something you can convert to: Buddhism and Christianity. Now the distinction isn't always clear cut. There's a Korean Christian church, and many vedanta teachers see it as universal. There are Jews for Jesus, combine Judaism and Christianity. Joyce can reject Christianity as an atheist, and write a book they teach in Catholic schools, because his whole mind couldn't just reject it. Religion is confusing and sneaky. The Abrahamic religions make you think god is at the center, but there are not theistic religions such as Buddhism and Taoism. There are even christian non-theistic versions.
"Beware of greedy leaders. They take you where you should not go." I also think Trump is a "soft shoe shuffler" of sorts.
But my revelation today made me think about why I love this song. Fans of Ted Lasso will say a kind of relentless self help and optimism is essential to success, but I would argue that a dialectical approach is what is needed. Too much optimism misses out, is wasteful, but gets more done. Pessimism isn't sustainable either, doesn't get much done. What needs to get done?
We are facing a time when optimism and being positive can't erase insurrections and cult like behaviors. The Marjorie Taylor Greens continue even after suggesting Jews shoot lasers from outer space, and harass AOC. Maybe partisanship is over for the near future, and the ruthless victories of what used to be an essential conservatism, have become toxic.
News viewership has gone down, Biden hasn't attracted our attention with lurid actions designed to distract. He is just quietly leading as best he can. Seventy three million people voted for Donald Trump, after all we know or should know if we have good epistemic character. Eighty million people didn't vote, essentially letting other's voices count more.
It's becoming more popular to be aware of the effects of robber barons manipulation of the system.
When do you stop dialectical thinking and when do you double down on one side?
I think conservatism is essential to America, even though I am progressive. I bet if the progressives took over for a while, like Reagan and his minions have since 1980, I might be conservative. There are a lot of conservatives that were born of the progressivism from Roosevelt to Lyndon Johnson, they felt things had swung too far left. Conservatism is too successful, they are grasping for too much, and the leaning on populism is the lasp gasp. Things are shifting. Younger people see the dark side of capitalism.
Capitalism and communism are two poles. In America the roads are owned by everyone. Garbage is taken away for the collective good. Police and fire services are seen as essential services. That is as communist as it gets.
In China and Russia they realized they needed the dynamism of capitalism, even if a few people got disgustingly rich.
The growth of the federal government is huge. My grandparents saw the creation of a federal income tax that they promised to do away with, but didn't after WW2.
It's obvious now that universal health care would save lives. Utilitarianism is the idea that you preserve the most good for the most people.
There are often unintended consequences to government control, like the criminality of prohibition. Infact, we are moving away from criminalizing drugs, and that is decreasing crime and the costs of crime. I saw an article today about a for profit prison complaining about not having enough prisoners. Certain institutions should just not be for profit: schools, infrastructure, prisons. The Margaret Thatcher experiment failed. Injecting business into institutions of the public trust just doesn't work. Look at what's going on in Texas with power. It's just wrong.
The 5 precepts guide us to avoid easy extremes of negative unhelpful harmful behaviors. It's pretty broad actually.
Dialectics are the idea Hegel has developed. It's why one teaching for one person can be right for them and another teaching for another can seem contradictory.
Lyrics:
Watch out now
Take care, beware of falling swingers
Dropping all around you
The pain that often mingles
In your fingertips
Beware of darkness
Watch out now
Take care, beware the thoughts that linger
Winding up inside your head
The hopelessness around you
In the dead of night
Beware of sadness
It can hit you
It can hurt you
Make you sore and what is more
That is not what you are here for
Watch out now
Take care, beware of soft shoe shufflers
Dancing down the sidewalks
As each unconscious sufferer
Wanders aimlessly
Beware of Maya
Watch out now
Take care, beware of greedy leaders
They'll take you where you should not go
While weeping Atlas Cedars
They just want to grow, grow and grow
Beware of darkness (beware of darkness)
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